Tuesday, August 15, 2006

Lo Osoh V'Lo Klum vs. Lo Osoh Klum

Daf Yomi - Yoma 60 - לא עשה ולא כלום and sometimes it states לא עשה כלום

There are several times in shas that it states לא עשה ולא כלום. The רמע מפאנו explains this statement as follows: לא עשה means that he did not fulfill the mitzva and ולא כלום means that he did not do an aveira either. The Mishna states that if the kohen gadol performed one avodah before the other - לא עשה כלום. This is referring to the sprinkling of the דם השעיר in the Kodesh Hakodoshim before the sprinkling from the פר. In this instance, besides not fulfilling the mitzva, there is an aveira as well, for he entered the Kodesh Hakodoshim unnecessarily and is considered a ביאה שלא לצורך. The Gemora on עמוד ב discusses a case where he performed the חפינת הקטרת prior to the slaughtering of the פר and here the Gemora says לא עשה ולא כלום. This is understood because there is no aveira being committed for the חפינה is done outside. There is no mitzva or aveira. (שערים מצויינים בהלכה)

Did you come across any instance of either one of those expressions recently? Tell us about it and lets see if the yesod fits. Thanks

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David said...

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David said...

The Gemara in Nazir is 42a, referring back to a statement on 40a. It says that a nazir who shaves ( after his nazirus is completed) with a razor “lo osoh klum”. Now, according to the Rama Mipano, that indicates there must be an aveirah here. But I fail to see any. Perhaps, one might argue that if a nazir shaves with a razor when he is not supposed to, is in fact doing an aveirah. But I did not get that impression. Please tell me what you think.

Avromi said...

Avromi said...

I looked up that gemora and it seems to me that you misquoted it or there's another gemora there. I found that if one shaved WITHOUT a razor then it is "lo osoh V'LO klum." The understanding there is that a mitzva was not done for he did not duse a razor, however there is no aveira either.

Avromi said...

The Gemora states that if the kohen gadol slaughtered the goat before he sprinkled from the blood of the bull, לא עשה ולא כלום - it is not valid and he must bring another goat. We learned yesterday that ולא כלום means that he did not commit an aveira either (besides not fulfilling a mitzva). Isn't shechting the goat on Yom Kippur with no positive result considered a desecration of Yom Kippur?

The Steipler Gaon explains by the ketores that even if it was burned for no reason, it is not a violation of Yom Kippur for he ruined the ketores and it is deemed to be מקלקל,so too says the שערים מצויינים בהלכה here, we can say that shechting the goat does not create any benefit, for there is a prohibition to have pleasure from it and therefore it would not be מלאכת מחשבת and hence he would be פטור.